Lash's return? hopefully.

[Ariovax]

Well, seems to me that Lash is in Harry's head and Harry's psyche has been getting beaten like a rented mule.  He needs to learn about psychic blasts and shielding, so who better than Lash to teach him?

[magic penguin]

IMHO...
Point 1) Selfless act of sacrifice on Lash's part... Selfless sacrifice with no profit for self is one of the conditions that most "evil" souls must reach before being "saved"

Point 2) Bob stated that a soul, if a portion is used is able to regrow, like when Hairy went all "Bigbys Hand"  on the Nicklehead in small favors... could not the "portion" of Lasciel that is Lash heal and regrow, as a "Reasended" angel. If an angel can fall... then a fallen angel should be able to be Saved.

Point 3) If Lash does grow to full angelhood... who better to serve in the war against the Nickleheads than a former member. This could be the Foot in the Door that the church has been trying to find.

The problem I see with that is that Lash is only a shadow of the real coin.   I don't know if she can be
"saved" and she may come back, but she can still only be a shadow because Harry never took up the coin.

If she does come back she will still be only a shadow, unless there is divine intervention.
 

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

The problem I see with that is that Lash is only a shadow of the real coin.   I don't know if she can be "saved" and she may come back, but she can still only be a shadow because Harry never took up the coin. If she does come back she will still be only a shadow, unless there is divine intervention.

I think Lash is more likely redeemable than Lasciel, just becase in your standard Christian model Fallen angels are absolutely unredeemable; they only get moral choice once, and they have made it already.

I still don't think she was redeemed, though.

[ScaldingHotSoup]

I don't think she was *redeemed*, that's going a bit far for me. I do think that her action at the end was genuine, however, and not a ruse. Lasciel is a totally separate deal.

[BumblingBear]

I have a theory.

I don't necessarily believe this will happen yet, but I think there is a good chance that Lash's shadow could be Harry's ticket to uber-powerdom.

Hear me out.

With Lash's assistance, Harry was able to basically memorize an entire book of dark magic in DB just by flipping through the pages.

These days, there seem to be several wizards who want to teach Harry new tricks, but he does not have time for it.  What if, with Lash's Shadow's assistance, Harry were able to learn how to animal himself from LTW in 10 days rather than 10 years?

Interesting, no?

-BB

[Curly]

I have a theory.

I don't necessarily believe this will happen yet, but I think there is a good chance that Lash's shadow could be Harry's ticket to uber-powerdom.

Hear me out.

With Lash's assistance, Harry was able to basically memorize an entire book of dark magic in DB just by flipping through the pages.

These days, there seem to be several wizards who want to teach Harry new tricks, but he does not have time for it.  What if, with Lash's Shadow's assistance, Harry were able to learn how to animal himself from LTW in 10 days rather than 10 years?

Interesting, no?

-BB

I can't remember, did Harry learn it, or did Lash learn it for him?

[IIIMarconeIII]

but lash already know how to shape shift... in fact she probably know more about magic then Harry ever will. If he was working with Her he would not need help from anyone.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

With Lash's assistance, Harry was able to basically memorize an entire book of dark magic in DB just by flipping through the pages.

We don't know whether he learned it or whether she did and just made it available to him as he needed.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

but lash already know how to shape shift... in fact she probably know more about magic then Harry ever will. If he was working with Her he would not need help from anyone.

At the low low price of his immortal soul.

[IIIMarconeIII]

^exactly

[Starblade]

I'm not sure that "Lash" could regrow into a full angel since she was never actually an angel, only the shadow of one.  I don't think she could grow into something more than what she once was. 

I agree that Lash couldn't become an angel again, but mostly because it doesn't seem to fit her and the way the Dresdenverse works - you can change and grow, but you can't ever go back to what you were before, which would be what Lash becoming an angel would be.

That said, she can, and I think will, come back as something more than just a shadow - Harry gave her a Name, and names are Important in the Dresdenverse. Remember how Ivy reacted when he named her? And that tidbit about Bob only really having personality because Harry named him, making him something more than before? And in Dead Beat, it was Harry's mentioning of the fact that he gave Bob a name that gave him the free will to act. With all of this evidence, it's fairly clear to me that his giving Lash a name has already inherently made her more than she was before, and it would just make sense for that to mean she could become something more than just a shadow in Harry's mind.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

And in Dead Beat, it was Harry's mentioning of the fact that he gave Bob a name that gave him the free will to act.

Has that been confirmed, or is it just Harry's opinion ?

Bob cheerfully denies having free will elsewhere in the series - seems to find the notion rather creepy.

[Mira]

   I wouldn't mind it if Lasciel shows up again.  However I sincerely hope that LASH NEVER RETURNS!  Her exit was beautiful, Harry's reaction to her sacrifice was very moving, to bring her back would spoil everything.  This could mean Jim is merely a common writer milking one of the better moments in his novels for all that it is worth and short on ideas.  I have always thought with few exceptions that it is a huge mistake to kill off a character and then find some excuse to bring them back.  It usually doesn't work, unless it is very carefully planned out and plausible.  I fear he may be making that excuse with Susan.  Write her out, fine, very sad, Harry went into deep depression for almost a whole book after that..  What? Bring her back again, Harry gets his heart ripped out all over again, but he handles it better seemingly.. Now, bring her back yet again?  New twist, with their kid?  No thanks...  I am trying to keep an open mind here, but....

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

   I wouldn't mind it if Lasciel shows up again.  However I sincerely hope that LASH NEVER RETURNS!  Her exit was beautiful, Harry's reaction to her sacrifice was very moving, to bring her back would spoil everything. 

Why do you prejudge Jim's ability to make it work that that was a deception after all ?

[Mira]

Why do you prejudge Jim's ability to make it work that that was a deception after all ?

  Not prejudging, just stating a person preference, plus the belief if it is done well and moves the reader or the viewer, why go back and reinvent it?  Yeah, Tolkien got away with killing off Gandalf and then bringing him back, but that is the exception and not the rule in my book.