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Author Topic: Chapter 2 - First Lord's Fury  (Read 605 times)
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« on: October 20, 2009, 06:50:38 PM »

Does it seem to anyone else that Chapter two is either missing some paragraphs or is out of order in some way. It felt very jerky to me.
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 08:21:47 PM »

I didn't have any problem with it, except for it being very short... But it was pointed out that is started with the first word and ended with the last, so it was the right length.  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 08:55:27 PM »

Chapter one seems rather short too.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 09:53:45 PM »

They're average length for early chapters.  The prologue was just absurdly long, and it's skewed your internal meters. Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 09:56:02 PM »

They're average length for early chapters.  The prologue was just absurdly long, and it's skewed your internal meters. Cheesy

I have no internal meters...  I wear pretty much everything on my sleeve.

But if you're saying, as a beta, that those were full chapters, I'll try and believe you.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 10:57:44 PM »

Hey Priscellie, I read somewhere that the prologue was over 100 pages, and that the whole book is about 700 pages...so with the prologue and first 2 chapters have we really already read about 1/6 of the book??? Please tell me I'm wrong!
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 11:27:26 PM »

Not sure about the 700 pages figure but Jim indeed confirmed that FLF would be a big piece of work indeed.

About the prologue, I'm not sure where you heard that. Even Jim would get skinned by his editor if he tried to submit a 100-pages block without any chapter breaks. Plus Jim is quite methodical as a writer, he likes to keep his chapters clean and centered around a single plot even.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised to see the story jump a couple of months ahead once Tavi has taken care of the first-hand necessities of landing his troops, resupplying them and sending them on their way to Riva.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 11:55:58 PM »

Not sure about the 700 pages figure but Jim indeed confirmed that FLF would be a big piece of work indeed.

About the prologue, I'm not sure where you heard that. Even Jim would get skinned by his editor if he tried to submit a 100-pages block without any chapter breaks. Plus Jim is quite methodical as a writer, he likes to keep his chapters clean and centered around a single plot even.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised to see the story jump a couple of months ahead once Tavi has taken care of the first-hand necessities of landing his troops, resupplying them and sending them on their way to Riva.

No way the story jumps a couple months no matter what is happening. You have too much going on and in ch 2 Tavi even said they had only 8-10 months before all the survivors were wiped out. Its too much to take care of in too short a timespan for them to jump ahead. Not to mention the plots involving all the other characters.
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2009, 12:07:05 AM »

Not sure about the 700 pages figure but Jim indeed confirmed that FLF would be a big piece of work indeed.

About the prologue, I'm not sure where you heard that. Even Jim would get skinned by his editor if he tried to submit a 100-pages block without any chapter breaks. Plus Jim is quite methodical as a writer, he likes to keep his chapters clean and centered around a single plot even.

Ah yes, thank you for being the voice of reason.. that number didn't make much sense to me either. I looked around to try and find where I had seen that number before but couldn't find it... but I didn't look to hard because I came across the answer here:
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9/29: Parts 1-3 of the Prologue (33 pages)
10/6: Parts 4-5 of the Prologue (21 pages)
10/13: Chapter 1 (8 pages)
10/20: Chapter 2 (10 pages)
10/27: Chapter 3 (8 pages)
11/3: Chapter 4 (9 pages)
11/10: Chapter 5 (11 pages)

100 total pages  (almost 1/6 in total)  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2009, 12:19:43 AM »

No way the story jumps a couple months no matter what is happening. You have too much going on and in ch 2 Tavi even said they had only 8-10 months before all the survivors were wiped out. Its too much to take care of in too short a timespan for them to jump ahead. Not to mention the plots involving all the other characters.

We'll see. 10 months is the time before the last human survivors get wiped out, at the current rate. But Ehren's most optimistic estimates for delaying the Vord on the way to Riva was about 3 months. About the other characters, Ehren's job is going to be fairly dull, burning and salting the land, and Isana, Bernard and Amara seem to be holing up in Calderon.

What I find interesting is that we haven't had direct word of Bernard and Amara yet, and what kind of plans they are laying out in Calderon, or why Bernard asked Isana to come there. Whatever that is, it will probably come out only towards the end of the book, as the Vord have to get through Riva and to Calderon first.

Calderon makes for a nice battlefield for the final engagement though, don't you think. A nice steep valley with a heavily fortified position on it's eastern end, mountains all around, an isthmus to the west where an incoming force could prevent a retreat, a sea of ice (icemen!) to the North, Marat tribes to the east, and a couple of big, bad-ass local furies as a wildcard. Furies that just happen to be furies of Earth and Air, much like a certain Count and Countess of our acquaintance.

The stage is set, now let Jim bring on the drama.

Ididit: OK..  so 100 pages is for the total of the sample chapters. I didn't realize we'd read through that much already. Well that's still 600 yummy pages to go.
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2009, 01:51:34 AM »

No way the story jumps a couple months no matter what is happening. You have too much going on and in ch 2 Tavi even said they had only 8-10 months before all the survivors were wiped out. Its too much to take care of in too short a timespan for them to jump ahead. Not to mention the plots involving all the other characters.
In most of the books the plot jumps ahead several weeks on numerous occasions. The book will have to have several instances where the story jumps ahead several weeks because you can't fit the daily happenings of 10 months into a 700 page book. The only way the story won't have time skips is if it all takes place in a couple weeks, which I don't see happening.

Your own argument of there being so many loose-ends to wrap up works for there being time skips because that's just more information that has to be squeezed into a book with limited space. There is only enough room to put in important plot points, so things like travel time will most likely be skipped.
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2009, 02:20:39 AM »

I didn't realize we'd read through that much already. Well that's still 600 yummy pages to go.
We haven't.There are 3 more sample chapters remember. Wink
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