Proven Guilty... Why didn't Harry ask Molly who set her up re the fetches...

[neurovore]

Harry telling Mab his belief after he has completed his investigations isn't proof that would convince Titania that Mab was innocent, and that is what the agreement was to secure as far as I recall.

How do the events that play out afterwards prove to Titania that Mab is innocent ?  They prove that Aurora has a scheme; they do not prove that Aurora killed RR rather than taking advantage of someone else doing it.

If he had walked away at that point, Mab couldn't have gone to Titania based on 'a wizard told me this'.

Why on earth not ?  Asking Harry to investigate means that's what she's going to have as evidence however things turn out, no ?

[neurovore]

I didn't think he could have gotten Wardens to do the job because that would represent a White Council action on Faerie turf.    NOT approved by either Summer or Winter and might put both/either into unacceptable debt to the WC.

It depends on how Faerie react to other people solving their problems for them, which seems open to me but slanting in favour of your take on it.

Unacceptable to the Queens, or unacceptable to Rashid, I haven't quite decided.   Whichever, Rashid effectively reminds Mab of it.    It is therefore possible that Mab knows by this that there is a traitor on the Council.

Could you unpack your logic there - I'm not following that last ?

[comprex]

Could you unpack your logic there - I'm not following that last ?

Rashid makes it very clear to Mab that he and not Eb, not the Merlin, not the Senior Council, not the Wardens, made it possible for Harry to be there. 

 If any debt is incurred, it either stays within Harry's structure of obligations, or devolves to Rashid as the one who 'sent' Harry.   Not sending Wardens means 'Don't give the WC any more than you've already agreed to. Not even whatever passes in Winter for oak leaf clusters'.

[Mpol]

If faeries have no soul... then how could Aurafeel the emotional turmoil she did in SK? Only someone with a Soul could fell such pain, yes?

Toot's loyalty to Harry is there because he too has something within him that makes him  capable of liking and befriending Harry.

So if faerie have no soul, what DO they have?

[comprex]

If faeries have no soul... then how could Aurafeel the emotional turmoil she did in SK? Only someone with a Soul could fell such pain, yes?

Or Aurie was just really, really good at reading Harry and feeding Harry the line he wanted to hear while she pulled the rug out from under the hotel operation.

Toot's loyalty to Harry is there because he too has something within him that makes him  capable of liking and befriending Harry.

This is way too Patty Hearst for a Faerie, imo.

So if faerie have no soul, what DO they have?

Other than immortality unless killed?   Sentience.

[Mpol]

What about the fight at the end?

Are you suggesting that her entire 'oh this world is so unfair, I want to fix it with an apocolipse' was a charade? Oh that could be interesting... and now I see where the coin theories come into play... oh this could be good. I like that theory muchly... though it may come undone as she may have no soul to begin with.

[neurovore]

If faeries have no soul... then how could Aurafeel the emotional turmoil she did in SK? Only someone with a Soul could fell such pain, yes?

What makes you think "soul" in the metaphoric sense of "being able to feel" and "soul" in the technical metaphysical sense mean exactly the same thing ?

[neurovore]

Or Aurie was just really, really good at reading Harry and feeding Harry the line he wanted to hear while she pulled the rug out from under the hotel operation.

The only problem with granting that is that it undercuts our evidence for why Aurora went off the rails in the first place.

[Mpol]

Good point. Stupid of me to confine the meaning of something like that to just emotion.