S1X5: Bad Blood

[BigMama]

The Council was certainly depicted in this episode as being more strong armed than just, that's for certain.  There really was a "mob" enforcer feel to the confrontation.

[whoknowswhy]

Hey...a magical CIA...probably with spies and everything.  I could see that.

[NightProtector]

Wow.  Torgeaux you're...special.

[torgeaux]

Wow.  Torgeaux you're...special.

Nice substantive response.  Sure you don't want to compare those of us not satisfied with some sort of small child or perhaps a monkey?  Maybe the discussion would go better that way, you seem to like it.

On the other hand, if you want to discuss the merits of our different views, I'm always ready for that.  That's why I like forums.

[iago]

Fits on his moderator hat

How about let's drop the hostility on both sides?

If you have a problem with torgeaux's aggression, report it to the moderators, don't engage with it

Same goes for you, torgeaux, if you have a problem with others' behavior, support your position by rising above that, rather than getting sucked in.  As it stands, you're on a fast track to looking like the bad guy here, and I know you're smarter than that.

Chill it out, folks, or Official Steps Will Need To Be Taken.

[Calliope]

I tend to lurk in forums, but I feel I just have to air my thoughts. I have just watched the fifth episode, and to be honest, I am finding the series abit bland and generic. My expectations have been raised massively due to the books, and as a result the series is a little of a let down. However, I will keep with it, because I really rate Mr Butcher's work, and wish to support it.

From this episode, the thing I am most worried about is Harry's history. Did I get it wrong, did the flashbacks place Justin's death 5 years ago? If so I find this very worrying when comparing Harry's history in the books to the TV series. My main reason is, in the books, if I remember correctly, Harry killed him by black/dark magic while he was his apprentice, and that act was self defence. The council were not convinced that he could be trusted, and was released into the care of someone who could "monitor" the situation. He also was under the threat of death until he could prove himself.

In this situation, Harry was a young teenager and still learning how to control his powers. A degree of restraint was placed due to his young age and his lack of knowledge. (If I understood it, the greatest crime was the dark magic rather than the death even though that was serious enough as it is). This event had major repurcussions on his future dealings with the White Council.

In the TV series we have an adult man, who has made a reputation for himself as Bianca clearly recognised him, charged with a crime as heinous as this. However, he apparently can and does interact with the council regularly. I am very interested to see how the TV programs justifies this.

There is a big difference between a minor and an adult commiting a crime, yet in these two situations the impact in the books seem to far outweigh the impact in the series to date. This just seems rather inconsistant, which is my major gripe about the TV series. I will certainly be interested to see how they work in the relationships of one of my favourite characters, McCoy

I also think that this is an interesting point and I agree with virgo that the TV version of the Council seems so much shadier than the version in the books. I particularly like what they have done with Ancient Mai. She basically had Harry put in chair so she could slap him silly until he cooperated....not the type of tactics one uses from a position of moral superiority. The TV council seems very concerned with expedience. Perhaps it was more expedient to give the adult Harry a chance than to kill him. I imagine this will be explored later in the series if it is given another season.

[torgeaux]

I also think that this is an interesting point and I agree with virgo that the TV version of the Council seems so much shadier than the version in the books. I particularly like what they have done with Ancient Mai. She basically had Harry put in chair so she could slap him silly until he cooperated....not the type of tactics one uses from a position of moral superiority. The TV council seems very concerned with expedience. Perhaps it was more expedient to give the adult Harry a chance than to kill him. I imagine this will be explored later in the series if it is given another season.

To me, it looks like the personality of Morgan from the book was pushed on to Ancient Mai, somewhat.  I'm not sure why, but she really smacks (ba da dump) of Morgan'esque attitude towards harry, including the slapping/hitting. 

[Dread Pirate Sayessa]

You know, I suddenly get the feeling that maybe the council will end up being a body somewhat like the mob.  Although the Magical CIA has potential, too, although then it could seem somewhat Harry-Potter-ish, being like the Ministry of Magic.
So I say mob because they seem to only care about their own gains, not necessarily about "right" or "wrong," as evidenced by Sirota saying "bill me."
They're definitely a different type of organization than the books, which makes me eager to learn more about them!  And how TV!Morgan fits into the scheme of things.
I can't remember if they ever cast a Marcone (or if they'll even use him, and I don't want to have to reread all the changes threads again, sorry), so maybe the council will fill the role of shady organization?

Can't wait for next Sunday!

[NightProtector]

Okay.

I put forth originally that one of my students enjoyed the show and saw it as a seperate entity from the books.  I was proud that she saw that both the show and the books have their merits.  I was also pleased to see that she recognized that the writers were going to have to change things to appeal to a broader audience.

She "got" it.

Your response, that she enjoys it because she has lower expectations felt a little insulting.  I let her read your comments because when she comes in for study hall is the only time she has access to a computer. She likes to surf here because she is a big fan of the Dresden Files. She doesn't have one at home.  I thought I'd let her respond.

She does have an open mind.  And yes, her mind is far more open than a many people who post on this board.  I'm sorry that you thought of yourself in that category. Your response originally came across to me and her as being narrow.  If you did not intend it as such, I am sorry and will apologize.

As for the "special" response?  I'm sorry if that came across as negative. I just read some of your other posts.  You are special.  You work hard at night and care for your son.  In my world that makes you special.  That's how we compliment people around here. Perhaps the three dots made it come across as mean.  Sorry. its  why I put the emoticon behind it.


As for your latest comments...I'm figured that was a knee jerk response to a misinterpreted post.  Not a problem.


You say, you care in the broad sense that the world is a better place if people are happy.  I'm glad.  I wish more people did.  I'm willing to let things go.  Truce?


Now back to the show...

What is going on with Ancient Mai?  Is she the head honcho of the Council now?

[cbmurphy]

Now back to the show...

What is going on with Ancient Mai?  Is she the head honcho of the Council now?

I got the impression she is in more of a Luccio-type role with respect to the Wardens and enforcement, rather than the primary head of the council.